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Lupa Greenwolf ([personal profile] lupagreenwolf) wrote2012-02-21 10:15 am

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I have been adding ETAs to my main Livejournal post about this since it's been getting the most attention, but I wanted to highlight the latest one as I am on a laptop instead of my phone for once:

So--I feel a bit like my point has been missed on some parts, so I wanted to clarify. I have absolutely no problem with cis-women-only rituals. What I have a problem with is when a ritual that is purported to be for "all women" or, in the case of Z's ritual, "the beauty and grace of the feminine form in all of her infinite variety", is limited to cis women only. This exclusion of trans women from rituals stated to be for ALL women invalidates trans women's identities AS WOMEN. It is NOT enough that trans people have their own trans-centric rituals and spaces, though these have great value to many trans people. "Transgender" is not a third sex separate from "men" and "women". A transgender woman is a woman, and if your ritual is specifically stated to be for ALL women, then you need to include ALL women, cis and trans.

That's what I'm trying to convey. I could also go on about how I feel so many cis women are ignoring the fact that trans women's issues ARE women's issues. I could add in how transphobic it is for cis women who have been raped, abused, or assaulted by men (and I include myself in that demographic as a sexual assault and abusive relationship survivor) use our trauma as a weapon against trans women simply because they were born into male bodies. I could emphasize that cisgender women do have privileges that trans women do not, simply for being cis--no one doubts that we cis women are women because we were born with vulvas, but trans women have their identities as women questioned all the time, within and outside of paganism. But I feel that these issues have been more than adequately covered in the many comments and discussions as a response to this post, for which I am very grateful.

So I am just going to leave this as my main point: have cis-women-only rituals if you want. Or cis-men-only. Or trans-women, or trans-men, or genderqueer, etc. There is space for sharing unique experiences. However, don't call your cis-women-only ritual one that is for ALL WOMEN. That is where I get angry, and why I was protesting this weekend.
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[personal profile] thejeopardymaze 2012-02-22 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I can imagine rituals made specifically for say, pregnant women for health and protection (despite the rhetoric about natural birth and parenting, pregnancy always carried risks of danger, and not just for humans, I have a horrifying story about a mare who wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for veterinarians if you're interested), but it's the overall attitude that pisses me off.
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[personal profile] elf 2012-02-22 02:53 am (UTC)(link)
Yep. No problem with "this ritual is to celebrate bodily fertility and strengthen the bodies of women carrying a child." Or, "this ritual is to welcome our new teenage sister to womanhood, so it's for menstruating women only." Or "this is for mother-child energies." Or whatever.

But, "this is to celebrate the diverse beauty of the female form" doesn't have any reason to limit attendance to cis women, and the way this one was done was an insult and an attack.